![]() But I always tell people, it was like the minor leagues or something. But then Gene and Paul and the guys came to a few of the club shows we were doing and they got a kick out of it. It can be kind of misleading, because it was just for goofs. People kind of use this fact against you. And we did that for a while, but it was never like a serious career move or something. And then it was Halloween and for a goof we put makeup on, just for a laugh. People went crazy, because nobody had kind of done that thing. And this is kind of before tribute bands became kind of common. One of the guys from Black and Blue, and a couple other friends, we were all Kiss fans, obviously, growing up, so back then when Black an Blue had kind of run its course, we said, let’s get onstage at a club in Hollywood and play Kiss songs. And it just evolved from there and grew a lot. ![]() So that’s kind of where the main association with Gene started. And as it turned out, he ended up producing our third and fourth album. Towards the end of that we were working on some demos for our third album, and we asked Gene if he would be interested in producing it. We were the opening act on the Kiss Asylum Tour in 1985, and we did probably 25, 30 dates in all of 1985 and that’s actually when I met Gene and Paul. And we were kind of an Eighties hard rock band, on Geffen Records. But by the time I was probably 22, 23, I had put together this band called Black and Blue. And I had all the garage bands and played school dances and did all the typical stuff and played clubs in Portland. I grew up in Portland, actually, Beaverton, Oregon, which is a suburb of Portland. I started to play guitar about 40 years ago. Your Eighties band, Black and Blue, opened for Kiss. What Happened to Ex-Kiss Guitarist Vinnie Vincent? But the vast, 99.99 percent of people that are there, they know what’s going on. And if it is, then they’re really not paying much attention at all. I don’t think there’s anybody going to a Kiss concert thinking that it’s Ace Frehley on stage. Well, you know, I can understand him saying that, too, but I don’t think that’s really accurate. He feels that it’s almost like trying to trick people that he’s still in the band. Specifically, the first three or four Kiss albums, up to Kiss Alive! And it’s not to detract from what he’s saying as far as, he was iconic in the Seventies, you know? And he did influence a lot of guitar players, and he did record and write some great stuff. Well, you know, if you look back, I’ve been in music professionally for over 30 years now, and I’ve made just as many records as they have, probably. These guys like to say that, oh, he was the road manager. You know, that’s one way to… that’s one way to put it, I guess, even though that’s not really accurate. How insane is that? You can’t make this shit up.” ![]() He told me, “A supergroup has one of the most dynamic, greatest lead guitarists in the world leave the band, and who did they hire to play lead guitar? Their road manager, who used to be in a Kiss cover band. He probably wouldn’t agree with that, would he?
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